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Destroying
Houses and Lives
An Interview
with Salim Shawamreh and Jeff Halper
April 5, 2000
Salim Shawamreh
is a Palestinian living with his family just outside occupied Jerusalem,
or not really living, he protests, because "you are always
in fear" of the Israeli soldiers marching to "your house
hauling your belongings out the street and bulldozing your house."
As terrifying and humiliating as it is to suffer this experience
once in a lifetime, Salim and his growing family have seen their
house bulldozed on two different occasions. The Shawamrehs are among
the 16,700 West Bank and East Jerusalem Palestinians whose homes
have been demolished since 1987 -- in all 2650. Home demolition
is not a cruelty of the far past, but is alive and well today in
Israel, a country that American and Western officials describe as
the only democracy in the Middle East. In 1999, partly on Prime
Minister Barak's watch, Amnesty International reported that "at
least 39 Palestinian homes, of which over 20 were in Jerusalem"
were demolished leaving more than "140 Palestinians, including
70 children, homeless." Salim, a Palestinian Authority driver
and others, have called this an arm of Israel's policy of "ethnic
cleansing." B'Tselem, the Israeli Human Rights group, reports
that "while Palestinians are responsible for less than 20 percent
of the illegal construction in [Jerusalem], nearly two-thirds of
the demolitions are carried out on Palestinian houses." Palestinians
and their houses are targeted, Amnesty states, "simply because
they are Palestinians," and the policy is geared to secure
Israel's grip on Palestinian land. Amnesty's press release (December,
1999) reports that "currently, more than one-third of the Palestinian
population of East Jerusalem [about 65,000] lives under the threat
of having its houses demolished."
Ghassan Bishara,
Media Director, interviewed Jeff Halper, Coordinator of the Israeli
Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD) and an anthropology
professor at Ben Gurion University and Salim Shawamreh during their
recent US speaking tour about Israel's home demolition policy and
occupation policy in general. Our thanks to Anja Zueckmantel for
transcribing the interview.
Q- Can
you describe the mechanics of demolishing a house? How is it actually
carried out?
Salim: You
are basically sitting in your home with your family, not really
living because you're always in fear of the Israeli soldiers surrounding
your house and giving you 15 minutes to carry whatever possible
of your belongings out to the street before they begin to bulldoze
your home. Any resistance is met with beating, kicking, shooting,
and arrest. A 16 year-old boy who came to help lost his left kidney
to a rubber bullet, which also damaged part of his stomach.
Jeff: Demolishing
a home--in the West Bank and Gaza--is considered a military operation.
The law requires a 72-hour notification before demolishing an Israeli
home. But, as a military operation in the West Bank, security considerations
dictate the reaction, and any attempt to resist will be considered
a threat to the safety of the soldiers. Repeated court appeals for
an advance notification were rejected because they give the Palestinians
a chance to defend themselves, which endangers the soldiersâ security.
Sometimes, there is no notice at all. Salim's house case was unusual
since his was the fifth house to be demolished that day--at times
they demolish up to twenty and thirty houses a week. It was the
middle of the day and they thought they could demolish another house.
Salim and his family were having lunch when the team arrived. Because
they resisted, it gave us time to organize and call others. This
was a breakthrough case, where we took many pictures for a later
use. Normally, however, they come about 6:30 AM, when all men have
left to work, but because no one knows when they may come, people
live in constant fear and anxiety. Some Palestinian men have opted
for night jobs so as to be home if and when demolition teams show
up.
The whole operation
whereby soldiers surround the house or the neighborhood and evict
the family is very violent. There is also a body language to this
operation, when aggressive soldiers bring themselves very close
to the angry Palestinians and if a Palestinian tries to push away
the soldier it triggers a violent response of shooting and beating
up people. For Palestinians, it is a no-win situation. They cannot
be passive at the prospect of their house being demolished and when
they react they are arrested, beaten, and shot at. It is a set-up
kind of a situation, which dictates whether or not they will give
even the 15 minutes. In many cases, houses were demolished on top
of everything, furniture and all.
Q- The
government issues the order to demolish the house. Is the government
then liable when they destroy the furniture?
Jeff- No. Although
we have tried to press the case when furniture, trees, water systems,
lighting, and other things that are not part of the demolition order
are destroyed, the answer is that "security considerations
require evacuation of residents quickly." In the name of security,
"the sacred cow," you could do anything.
Q- Two
known reasons for destroying houses are to punish a family of an
alleged "terrorist" before any due process and at times
before the accused is even caught, and to destroy a house that was
built without an Israeli government permit. Is that correct?
Jeff- Since
the intifada, there have only been a handful of cases of the former.
This should be clarified since most Israelis believe that only houses
of "terrorists" are being destroyed. We are talking about
apolitical people here, such as Salim, who has never been arrested
and built on his own land to shelter his family.
Q- Why
don't Palestinians ask for permits in the first place?
Salim- Israeli
law is geared to make permanent the Israeli occupation of our land
and force us into a narrow area. They want to fit us within their
master plan for the area, which is to strengthen their hold on our
land. I will not receive a permit as long as it does not agree with
their master plan; only few permits are granted. The more Palestinian
houses are built, the less land is left for settlements.
Q- Is
it part of the master plan to minimize the Palestinians' presence
in those areas?
Jeff- Yes,
but in 1981, an efficient bureaucracy was set up to cast the military
occupation as a civil administration. It is important for Israel
to present itself as a democracy and a country of law, and the zoning
code is an important façade to market that image. They cannot
destroy Palestinian houses and say, "We are destroying them
in order to confine Palestinians into fixed areas." Therefore,
they developed this Kafkaesque system of going through the motion
of permit applications and fees collection, but the intention is
to deny permits. Playing out the game makes Israel appear just like
any other country. When a complaint is lodged, bureaucrats can show
that a permit was not issued. Complying with the law means demolishing
the house. The whole thing is laid out in a watertight fashion to
make the process look legal. A very few permits are granted, because
if none were then no one would play the game. So one always has
hope--like Salim, who thought, "maybe I'll get the permit."
The permit
is very expensive also. It could cost $6,000 in parts of the West
Bank, but in East Jerusalem it goes as high as $30,000 to $40,000
in various fees. Being denied a permit is like throwing money away.
Construction in the occupied areas must suit the master plan and
no Palestinian building does. The proof is that all house demolition
is done to Palestinian and none whatsoever to Israeli homes. Although
the Israelis may show figures of demolished Jewish houses, they
are false. Rarely they may demolish an illegal porch or a swimming
pool in West Jerusalem--but never, ever have they demolished a whole
Israeli house.
Q- Are
you saying that no Israeli houses were demolished even when no permits
were granted?
Jeff- Eighty
percent of the building violations are in West Jerusalem and eighty
percent of the demolitions are in the eastern side. While in East
Jerusalem almost always whole houses are demolished, it is never
so in West Jerusalem.
Q- How
does the Israeli government explain or defend this gap?
Jeff- It does
not. It provides figures that do not fit. They say we demolished
20 houses in East Jerusalem and 17 in West Jerusalem, but that is
not true. You will never see an Israeli (Jewish) family living in
a tent because its house was destroyed. If the authorities sent
a bulldozer to destroy a Jewish house, there would be a revolution--this
is absolutely unthinkable.
Q- What
is the real aim of this policy in your opinion?
Salim- The
real aim is ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. "Let them leave
the country and go find themselves another place to live."
Q- Do
you agree with this assessment, Jeff?
Jeff- Pretty
much. They certainly try to confine Palestinians. Someone told Salim
after a lecture here, "Demolishing your house is like telling
you, Îyou have no place to return to." It is not that they
are forcing anyone out now. True, ethnic cleansing is a loaded term,
but essentially that is what we are talking about. As far as I know,
Israel is the only country that systematically demolishes houses
of a particular population.
Q- How
does the legal community in Israel feel about this subject? Has
the high court heard the issue?
Jeff- We have
taken many cases to the court; Salim's case was one. The legal department
of the civil administration has closed all loopholes. After 33 years,
there is no legal challenge that has not already been made. The
whole thing is pretty much watertight. The court's answer is that
Palestinians should have permits.
Q- Is
your house in Jerusalem, and what did the court tell you when your
case was presented there?
Salim- No,
it is in area C (Anata), just outside of Jerusalem. I took my case
to the court only to gain some time. I knew that my home was going
to be demolished. I was just hoping that something could happen
in the meantime. Nothing did.
Q- Your
house, Salim, was destroyed twice already. Couldn't it be destroyed
again and again?
Salim- Yes.
According to the occupation authorities, my house is illegal and
it may be destroyed any time. We have to live with this fear. I
hope that my presence here and appeal to the American people and
government and the UN may help end this demolishing policy. The
experience of soldiers beating my family members, my wife losing
consciousness, my children scattered, tear gas and arrests has traumatized
and destroyed, not only our homes, but our lives and many familiesâ
lives forever.
Q- If
they destroy the house again, will you rebuild it again?
Salim- I have
nowhere else to go. I will rebuild it a hundred times.
Q- For
you as an Israeli activist, what would constitute a viable solution
with the Palestinians?
Jeff- Had you
asked me four years ago, I would have said a two-state solution.
Today, the only option is working out a binational state for both
peoples and equal citizenship for all. This matrix of Israeli control
of people and territory has created this new reality that makes
territory impossible to detach.

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